In order for the universe (everything) to have an endless “before” and an endless “after” all things must be unified under 1 expression/function. Like a line graph. All points are  held under 1 function (example: y = x^2)

I find this to be defeated when we observe how contrasting densities influence each other. When we are near “earth” we experience its gravity that we see as a direct cause from earth’s energy density. For the unified function theory to work, it would mean that our pull to earth is not from earth, but rather something more fundemental.

To explain. Imagine we have a 3 dimensional graph where z = sin(x) & y = -1*(sin(x))
If we were to watch the graph progressively illustrate itself we’d see 2 opposing wave. We could say that the z wave is pulling the y wave and the y wave is doing the same.  Their lines don’t actually pull each other though, it’s just their underlying functions.

This is actually a horrible example because both waves receive no influence from each other. A man falling to the earth receives influence from the earth. He is not simply falling to where earth would be without seeing it; like in this case the y-wave is pulling to the z-wave without influence from it.

This is the other issue I find. We have multiple dimensions (which I’m starting to pull away from the concept of rigid dimensions [which makes the following even more complicated]) If the universe operated on 1 function, how does it express 3 dimensions in which densities of energy indicate the presence of other densities. How do you pull multiple values from y = func(x) ?

So I have no option but to scratch the infinite before&after idea.

Wait. Even though I don’t like it, or feel that it is remotely correct. I suppose there is 1 way to pull multiple values from y = func(x). Whatever Y is being plotted on. Or if somehow (jesus … I don’t know how) the value of Y was being parsed.
Let’s say our Y = 5.2138248942  and the 521 would be 1 density (or value of) and 382 would be another, and then some how those all respected the indications of other present densities.

So yes… Scratching that path until I am forced to come back to it. This also still dodges the question “what is the self sustaining logic that permits existence of anything at all?”

The remaining option is “we had a beginning”, which happened in absence of time. Oh wait… maybe not.
Perhaps time & stuff have their own self sustaining logics and they “just so happen” to interact. Time interacts on stuff and stuff does things with itself.

Hrm. That would be interesting. Perhaps there are multiple (even infinite) self sustaining logics and some interact with others as time does with our “stuff”. It would seem that “time” would interact with several of these SSL’s … It’d just seem so. If somehow they weren’t compatible the other SSL would have no progression.

Perhaps there is an SSL for branching time… but I digress.

Remember, a Self Sustaining Logic is something that logically MUST exist. (yeah, I can’t think of anything either.)

Once that logic is unveiled it will probably hold hints to other SSL’s, which means other universes absolutely severed from out own, but only explorable … wait… hold the fuck on. Golly-G, this is hefty.
Let’s assume that there are multiple SSL’s and at least 1 SSL has within it the potential of generating entities that can recognize SSL’s. Then let’s assume that we can simulate these SSL’s… This is interesting, because even we’re actually receiving influence from the other SSL… not it’s stuff, but the simulation of it’s stuff. If 2 SSL’s were to generate the potential of understanding each other, then there is influence flowing back and forth. The only need would be to simulate the SSL itself and the appropriate input (our influence back on them) there would be a lot of checking… Because all we have to base this other reality on is a simulation. That simulation encompasses the moment they understand and simulate us. I feel an infinite loop somewhere. Maybe. Well maybe not. With the SSL simulator we’d know exactly what they’d do in the next moment, and they’d know exactly what we’d do. Not just the understanding creatures, but we as in EVERYTHING within an SSL. We’d know if they were going to request, they’d know if we were going to request information. Wow… … It’s like imaginary friends that are real, but you can never see them but since they are influencing your reality they’re just as good as any other influence you receive in your reality. … Wow…

Wow… so if there were infinite SSL’s and we could predict them with some kind of fundamental pattern, then we could find life within logic… wow, WTF is even going on?

Side note… there could be only “1” entity that receives information of our SSL and we understand theirs… We could talk to that entity and convince it to do things… We’d be like gods. We’d lose all power the moment that they lost understanding though. Because the only way to interact is for both sides to understand each other. That’s kind of epic when you think about it.

So now… There could be some other SSL Simulators observing me… simulating the SSL I live in. And they could be “waiting” for when I discover them. Because when I do, then I can receive info from them.

The other crazy thing is, time in both SSL’s is relative.
Let’s make some givens.
SSL Alpha = Our SSL
SSL Omega = Some other SSL
SSL Theta = the time SSL that operates on both of us.

50 billion years of Theta into the future, Omega discovers Alpha. With simulation (depending how the SSL will simulate, they might not be able to “fast forward”… but assuming they can…) Omega finds that it took 80 billion years of Theta for Alpha to understand Omega. In that moment they understand each other and 50 billion-year-Theta-aged Omega is interacting with OUR future.
What the actual fuck?

Oh…  but what if we can’t fast forward the simulation? (very likely,…. much like there can’t be a computer that can simulate the universe faster than the universe is processing, because it relies on the process of the universe to process itself)
So Omega discover Alpha at 50 billion years. To start talking it’s going to take 80 billion for them to simulate Alpha and then another 50 billion for their Simulation of Alpha to simulate Omega. That’s all assuming that both  SSL’s can simulate at the same speed of the processing SSL.

Oh wow… so we’d only be able to talk 130 billion years apart. Wait… wait wait… but that time gap would get shorter… I think.

1. Once Omega discovers Alpha, Omega will leave a message for Alpha to later simulate and see. msg: “oh hey dair”
2. Omega must then simulate Alpha until Sim_Alpha understands Omega. 80 billion years for Sim_Alpha to understand. Another 50 billion years for Sim_Alpha to see Omega understands. 
3. When Sim_Alpha sees a mutual understanding they will encounter the message and likely leave a response. msg: “oh … my … god”
4. Omega would know when Alpha would see the mutual understanding and would guess that they’d leave a response. Omega would receive “oh … my … god” 130 billion years after Omega understands Alpha. Omega knows Omega’s next message will be 130 billion years after Omega’s understanding.
5. 130 billion years pass… Omega responds: “This is Amazing, we should do something together.”
6. Sim-Alpha (or even “real” Alpha) would have to wait 130 billion years after their understanding of Omega & Omega’s initial message, for the next message from Omega. And only then could Sim-Alpha/Alpha respond. There is no way of compressing that time (unless, well, I’ll touch that later)

Each message would have to be 130 billion years apart, or, the sum of the time it takes any 2 SSL’s to understand each other.

There are 3 4 5 more things I want to cover with this idea.

• SSL Sim Accuracy
• SSL Sim capacity
• Speed-Com SSL’s
• Utility SSL’s
• Divine SSL’s

SSL Simulation Accuracy, immediately demotivates me. Let me think it out. If an SSL’s only connection is understanding, then the moment it miscalculates a targeted SSL, it spirals off talking to imaginary friends. When simulating an SSL, you have all the information you need from the VERY beginning. That (let me remind you) “Self Sustaining Logic” is the ONLY thing you need to determine the rest of the program.

Let me think this out by writing it out step by step.

1. Let’s say we have a super comp that is dedicated to SSL:Kappa. It has the ability to store all data of SSL:Kappa.
2. This simulation needs to store information of Kappa’s simulation of Alpha (us). you can clearly see the infinite spiral into infinity. If it is to simulate us, then it simulates our simulation …  and so on indefinitely.
3. Chunks of data (the size of entire SSL’s) would need to be added every Com-Tick. (the amount of time it takes the two SSL’s to communicate)
4. Sim_Kappa’s simulation of Alpha (us) would be 1 Com-Tick behind.
5. Assuming there is infinite storage, there is no threat to SSL Simulation Accuracy.

Before we start trying to talk to other SSL’s we need to make sure we have a solid line of communication and an infinite amount of storage. (not to be used all at once, thank god)

If an SSL’s storage unit can be influenced by other parts of the SSL… The SSL should use multiple Sims to make sure their data is accurate. For data precision the SSL will have to find where their targeted SSL can become digitally defined (not ”analog”). It’d be very stupid to store “analog” data. I don’t even believe in an “analog” universe anyway.

SSL Sim capacity, makes me fearful a little bit because it means we only be able to view a real SSL up to the point it understands us, expands beyond our storage capacity, or begins simulating other SSL’s… (All fall under “expanding beyond our storage capacity”)
My initial thought is that we’d need infinite storage in both SSL’s from the beginning. Not necessarily, and even if we did, it might not be a problem.
If both sides were able to add storage (create matter) then we wont need an infinite storage unit at the beginning. Remember, the storage unit must also be simulated.
The only way to have infinite storage capacity from the beginning (in at least one of the 2 SSL’s) is if the unused space in the storage unit some how had ABSOLUTELY NO influence on the rest of the SSL. This possibility will be evident (well I hope it would be) in the early evolution of the SSL.

Speed-Com SSL’s, I probably shouldn’t have isolated this topic, so I’ll keep it brief. A Speed-Com SSL would be one that can simulate another SSL faster than that other SSL can process itself.

Which brings me into my next 2 wishful thoughts (not that the rest of this isn’t wishful… in a creepy way, it’s likely though)

I’ll start with Divine SSL’s. A divine SSL would be one that has the ability to predict the future of another SSL. The only way for this to happen is if it was able to process its simulation of a subjected SSL faster than the subjected SSL can process the Divine SSL.
The only power that a Divine SSL has is to play on the needs and wants of the understanding entities within the subjected SSL.

Wait, there is a problem. The “subjected” SSL can only receive influence from the Divine SSL if they both understand each other. If they both understand each other the knowledge of the Divine SSL would come before its instruction. The only hope to have Divine control is to have a simulator that never gives any information about what the Divine SSL knows. The only way that simulator can be built though is if the subjected SSL builds it, and why would they neglect that information? The most likely way to have Divine control is to have a simulator that only gives information granted to be given by the Divine SSL. Again… why would they limit their information? Make life easy? … Maybe… This may also be a short cut to communicating. If the builders of the simulator die and those who don’t understand the simulator inherit it entirely, the Divine SSL could leverage control.

Just figured out that Speed-Com SSL’s are also an impossible concept. Time is relative, and the only way to SSL’s interact is by understanding each other. They must encompass each other ENTIRELY before they can send messages to each other.

This also dissolves the use of Utility SSL’s which (I so idiotically thought) could serve as storage units, crystal balls and more… I remembered, any SSL’s that are communicating MUST encompass each other ENTIRELY.

With the need to encompass things entirely, the only hope to establish a growing network of SSLs is to have infinite storage.

The only thing I can think of that can serve as infinite storage that does not influence matter is some device that can pull data from the past (yeah,… you know that’s genius) With a single light bulb we can store and infinite amount of binary data so long as we have some device that can pull information from a particular time slot. (woah… fuck, that is brilliant) This assumes that there is some kind of trace that time leaves behind us that is beyond the immediate impression we experience.

This does present a “complication” though. Com-Ticks would grow exponentially. I quote “complication” because this is all very possible and (with the aid of technology) can seems to happen very quickly. (sleeping periods)… Well I suppose this does present a complication. Sleep periods would only be safe if we “knew” that we completely understood and dominate our SSL.

If we “connected” to other SSL’s while still being earthly humans, a sleep period may drag us to a point where the sun explodes.
If we were to “connect” to (essentially, “understand”) the SSL network, we’d need to “download” all data of an SSL which encompasses: all of its simulations of our interaction, and all of its simulations of other SSLs  (even those it hasn’t connected to)

Storage efficiency. Sure, we may be able to store all the data we’ll ever store with 1 light bulb, but that makes us vulnerable to powers unknown. (meteorites, cosmic storms, extra dimensional interference and more)
With that same light bulb, we can learn of such things by seeing their past … oh wait.. oh wait..

If we’re using history to store data, then we can just go back to ground 0 and make sure nothing is going to jack us up. But what if we only have the power to pull from a small space and time? Well, shoot IDK. We move wildly around space, so it may be difficult to figure out what piece of time and space we need to extract from.

Another thing… Jesus, my mind is everywhere with this concept. Oh yeah… What if an SSL finds a better way of storing data or a better way to manage data? Primitive communicators would have to completely strip down their systems… well not really. Nevermind. But there would have to be a notification to let the others SSL know of the update, that way they can adjust their sleep periods. (lol, this is crazy)

Oh… wait. I’ve made a huge mistake.
The majority of this time I’ve referred to SSL’s as system that simply records the state of matter. In the beginning I described time as potentially being a Self Sustaining Logic. That doesn’t really store the state of energy densities, it just “acts” on them. Or whatever. The Time SSL (or the SSL associated with time… if it is even separate from our own) is described to interact with other SSL’s “somehow”… but what other kinds of SSL’s could there be that can interact? Maybe there are Law-SSL’s that dictate the mechanics of Stuff-SSL’s and Time-SSL’s refer to every Law and Stuff SSL and make seperate realities (just throwing out ideas… like I’ve been doing this whole time). What if an SSL stores Law and Stuff? What if its Stuff is Law to something else? Is there an SSL that allows us to connect directly to another without the need of engulfing infinite amounts of data? If the time SSL is separate, then we know that SSL’s can interact.

Let’s go with the basic system of Stuff & Time SSL’s that we’ve already established. I want to explore this concept in one more direction. Let’s assume there are an infinite amount of SSL’s possible (maybe even some that are … … created? Ok, let’s slow down, that’s WAY too confusing) …. so yes, infinite SSL’s. As we connect to more and more, there will obviously be contrast in how much we associate with one SSL as opposed to another. The concentration of Association, when mapped, is its own system of chemistry… … … I’m just saying this because it would be cool to map. The main contributor to how much we associate would be the Com-Tick rate (which would be dynamic if we’re storing data with time)

So yeah. That’s it… well… wait. one more thing.
Time must (I think) be apart of our own SSL. Not a separate one. I think this because of the whole “beginning” thing. It would seem nothing can exist without time, but time must  have had a beginning because if things progress through it, then what is basis for which all events derive from? (why this form of the universe and not another?) … but then you must ask, what defines that form? It must be present outside of time or developed by time. but if time were to develop it, what is the back bone of it’s development? how does time build/create something? those laws/rules would have to be “outside” of time… WHATEVER THAT MEANS. And here I go again… those rules would have to be inherent; an absolute axiom of reality…

A Self Sustaining Logic.

In order for SSL’s to interact they’d need another SSL as a medium. An SSL that creates impressions on other SSL’s. There needs to be a Logical Logic that says “This can influence that”… This doesn’t make sense to me because if an SSL is its own reason for existing, then at what point in the logic does it say “interact with this SSL that has had nothing to do with my origin, or history”… If SSL’s interacted some how, it’s like they’d plan on each other’s existence without any evidence. To say they’d interact is to suggest that have parts that are READY to interact.
but maybe that’s how the SSL’s play out, part of the logic develops those interacting parts that associate with other SSL’s. If that is the case, then that suggest other SSL’s are predictable or can be at least partially defined. (which is a troublesome concept because it would seem that an SSL is TERRIBLY simple, yet INCREDIBLY unintuitive. [like evolution]… how could something so fundamental be “partially” defined. Then again, … SSL’s could be extremely complex)

Then I think about it… If I’m within the composition of an SSL then it is apart of that SSL to understand others. And with that understanding a connection is made… but a basic thing like “time” doesn’t have the potential to make a connection of understanding.

Let me go ahead and define “understanding”. For an SSL to understand another, it would simply have to generate a copy of the another SSL’s logic. Once that has happened then influence will permeate. There could be an SSL that simply creates copies of SSL and runs simulations… who knows.

I’ll make a video of this in order to reach a larger audience…. I’m going to sound like such a psycho.

Wish List:

• infinite storage (history based?)
• another SSL that can generate an understanding creature

We know that there is an SSL because our experience (even if an illusion) has contrast & association, and contrast & association is the backbone of defining something existence.

How can things be different yet connected?
Troublesome concept once you think about it?
At it’s most fundamental level, what does being connected even mean?

Here is a cool thought.
In my speul about SSL’s connecting. The only reason they were able to connect is because both sides understood each other.
What if somehow, the connection of everything to everything else was just the generation of understanding (understanding = a self-owned copy of another’s concept/logic/system/function/behavior)?
oh wait… in order to make a copy, you need to store data… data consists of multiple parts… if the parts themselves are connected, then… (infinite spiral downward)

As seen on Illusia

This idea is suggesting that the Universal Expanding force is a cousin to the electromagnetic, gravitational, strong and weak forces.

Assume there is nothing in the universe except 2 magnets and your hands.
Hold the two magnets together, negative facing negative.
Get a high frame rate video recorder.
And then let go of the magnets.

In the first split second they will repel away from each other. The next split second they’ll accelerate. And they will keep accelerating. The rate of acceleration will be at it’s peek in the beginning.

So why can’t a cousin force explain universal expansion?

I also have some questions. (for scienceWalrus and joe606)
How fast does the strong force attenuate. It’s what holds Protons together despite their EM force, correct?

Gyoda is the explanation of everything. It can be something that created particles/energy/mass or it could be particles/energy/mass. We don’t know

A Kyoda is a system aware of Gyoda and subjecting everything to hierarchy.

Yes, I just made these two things up, for the sake of reference.

Like any system there is an emphasis on centralization. This centralization insures control & conformity. Everything is brought under a single purpose.

The only reason a Kyoda can emerge though is because of Gyoda’s ability to create chaotic diversity. Evolving from this chaotic diversity is replicating “life” which then hammers against Gyoda’s diversity with repetition (because it’s replicating) and slowly refines it. Replicating life requires hierarchy in it’s physical make up.

So I imagine this concept like a spring of water shooting up. The fan is the amount of diversity at each level of physics (there are less than 150 elements, but oodles of molecules and oodles more compounds, and even oodles more of different substances) and as the fan moves upward, centralization based around subcomponents can be seen. (centralization around things that aren’t real, aren’t evolutionary satisfactory and centralization around closer subcomponents aren’t as strong as those centralized based on deeper subcomponents)

This is the only thing that strikes me with uncertainty:
I’m assuming that mass and energy are conserved. Conservation of mass&energy is only a concept we use to work with stuff on a daily basis. Who really can say if the laws of physics can’t be exploited in order to destroy, create, mass? Hierarchy is dependent on conservation because… … … actually, no it’s not. I was going to say it was because a finite energy&mass environment is what encourages hierarchy but infinite creation of energy&mass could also give rise to replicating hierarchies as well. Evolutionary pressures such as over crowding would be a huge issue. I’d imagine there to be somewhat of a conservation of past life forms that weren’t exposed as much to over crowding.
… So yeah, that last point just died, but brought up an interesting new concept of evolutionary pressures.

Well here is another point. If Gyoda can infinitely create/be-created then a Kyoda may never exist. It depends upon how fast this Gyoda creation is being done and if it’s at all controllable by a Kyoda. Gyoda has a head start though.

But what if we can’t grasp Gyoda? What if we can never begin to understand it? And what if it is an infinite creator? Then Kyoda and Gyoda are both unobtainable … which I find quite cute because they are both on opposite-ish ends of the spectrum but they still have some likeness.

What would really suck is if we can to a dead end where it was impossible to know more. Like if characters in a computer simulation discovered every dimension of their existence except for the fact that they are coded with 1’s and 0’s at that point, they are bound, unless the simulation maker grants them sensory to the outside world. But what if our simulation didn’t have a maker and it just kinda by chance locked us in? Well that would suck, because being locked into a computer simulation, even if you could SOMEHOW influence the software would mean you’re jeopardizing the existence of your entire reality. :/