Just got out of a creation(christian) vs agnostic debate.

Their main arguments:

1. Something exist, therefore god exist
2. Finely tuned universe
3. Objective moral values mean god exist
4. Jesus is in the history books.
5. He predicted others will come after him that have the same divine mission.

My counters:

1. Something exist, doesn’t mean that god had to start it
2. Replication is the only requirement for life. If the universal constants were different push and pull would just be different. Because push and pull laws allow for the perpetuating reactions between particles a replicating system can emerge with a variety of laws.
3. Morals are subjective
4.  There are many people (even in recent times) that claim to be sent by god. They too have followers.
5. There were people before Jesus that talked about a better afterlife. The topic of “where we came from, what’s our purpose” was hot so predicting it requires no divine skill.

And then we digressed, and then I had to depart.

Hopefully we will continue in the future.

We humans are gettin’ pretty advanced, eh?

So much that we could probably start making our own forms of life.

When we get to that point, what would be more likely? Stumbling upon new life, or seeing something we’ve put into existence already?

Just a thought